<Bornholio> ROkker better bwoop, 8xengine rocket start on a B-52
<Rokker> Bornholio: on rockets tho
<SlainteMaith> So should I just start relaying bugs directly on the Github or here? NathanKell is very good about responding to stuff here, but I really don't want to be a priority seeing as most of mine are minor.
<NathanKell|WORK> ferram4: They made a play about her
<SlainteMaith> Better Bwoop? Yes, she was hot.
<SlainteMaith> And yes, before you ask: I've had mead. So coherence is unlikely.
<NathanKell|WORK> SlainteMaith: :)
<NathanKell|WORK> (going through scrollback, so re your compliment ^_^ )
<SlainteMaith> Yeah. I was telling my wife last night how I could see why Steam would snag you up. You're definitely a professional.
<SlainteMaith> You'll go far in the biz.
<SlainteMaith> Errr Valve. Sorry.
<NathanKell|WORK> :)
<SlainteMaith> But now that you're here, it allows me to pose a question a second time: Should I just post bugs to Github rather than here in future?
<Starwaster> it's a good idea to have a trackable issue that other people can participate in who might not be in the channel at the time
<NathanKell|WORK> Um. If they're simple stuff, here's fine. If they're stuff that's not so simple, or not in our wheelhouses, github
<NathanKell|WORK> For example, if you don't know if it's a bug, or it's something simple like that double decoupler thing, here's fine
<NathanKell|WORK> especially because you may not know what repo to put it on--we may not know the cause at first!
<SlainteMaith> I'm too new to this project to discern that, if I'm honest.
<NathanKell|WORK> but in general, yeah, Starwaster's right, trackability is good :)
<NathanKell|WORK> yeah, so ask here first, but an issue may be the best 2nd step :)
<SlainteMaith> Fair enough. Just tell me to write something up if you need it written up.
<NathanKell|WORK> ok!
<ferram4> SlainteMaith, asking here is good to check to make sure the issue isn't, "Oh, I see. I'M the dumbass."
<SlainteMaith> ferram4 Typically I -am- the dumbass. But I get your point. =)
<Bornholio> Nathan what RP-0 file do i need to allow CBK to give more R&D or Pad levels, trying to duplicate my bug on a minimum mod install (KCT&CBK only)
<SlainteMaith> I've laid some serious bugs at programmers feet only because it was failure of the imagination. Never with a moment of blame.
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<NathanKell|WORK> Bornholio: Edit CBK's default.cfg
<NathanKell|WORK> that's easier than MMing things
<Bornholio> k
<ProjectThoth> NathanKell|WORK: Sadly, gotta hike out again. But I get where you're coming from, I just have some thoughts on the matter that might make them more practical.
<SlainteMaith> Here's the real question: My wife and I are going to Ireland in less than a week. How the HELL am I supposed to show up in pubs I've never been to and have a good time as an American when I'm dreadfully embarrassed to be so considering our current... Our current.
<ProjectThoth> SlainteMaith: It's called "not giving a damn about what other people think."
<SlainteMaith> ProjectThoth: That's all well and good until they want to beat you up.
<NathanKell|WORK> SlainteMaith: I'd say 'first as tragedy, second as farce' but that was the 80s and 00s already, we're in megafarce now :P
<ProjectThoth> SlainteMaith: Something tells me that you'll be fine.
<ProjectThoth> People worry too much, jeez.
<ProjectThoth> Anyway, bbl.
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<Dasm> Is there any way I can hide Mechjeb's dropdown window? And what is this PEG people have been talking about?
<NathanKell|WORK> I think if you go into the pubs with the intent to commiserate, you'll be most welcomed. It's not like the Irish aren't used to bad goverment they don't feel aligned with...
<NathanKell|WORK> Dasm: click the close box on the window.
<egg|zzz|egg> NathanKell|WORK: I have reviewed KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem#110 a bit
<Qboid> [#110] title: Add tracking stations used in launches from Kourou | I probably did not use the correct naming convention (nor range), but the location is correct. | https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem/issues/110
<SlainteMaith> Ha! Where are you -from- NathanKell, if I may ask?
<egg|zzz|egg> (the latest changes were on my input in that channel too, but commenting directly on the PR is probably more convenient)
<Dasm> Powered Explicit Guidance?
<NathanKell|WORK> New England
<egg|zzz|egg> Dasm: let me introduce you to Qboid
<egg|zzz|egg> PEG?
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: [PEG] => Powered Explicit Guidance
<SlainteMaith> ProjectThoth just used a Terry Pratchett line, which endears me to him more than most may know.
<Qboid> egg|zzz|egg: [MaDCoWS] => Massive and Distant Clusters of WISE Survey
<egg|zzz|egg> MaDCoWS?
<NathanKell|WORK> I lived in NYC for a few years before we moved out here, but I'm New England to the core :]
<SlainteMaith> Covers a lot of ground NathanKell. I lived in Salem for over a year (At Hasbro Interactive)
<SlainteMaith> Dare you be more specific?
<NathanKell|WORK> CT, but I have cousins in Salem :)
<SlainteMaith> I had a girlfriend in Danbury for a time.
<NathanKell|WORK> Dad's from Concord (MA not NH), but we lived in southwest CT so he could commute to NYC to teach
<NathanKell|WORK> (Norwalk to be precise, so very close)
<SlainteMaith> Her parents lived in Old Greenwich.
<taniwha> NathanKell|WORK: probably not the time for it for you, but I tried some streaming last night. sound level issues, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99pJQKyFi6k
<NathanKell|WORK> Well, technically Rowayton, but we were the people who knew Rowayton was part of Norwalk, not part of Darien :P
<NathanKell|WORK> taniwha: I'll take a peek when I get home! :)
<taniwha> :)
<NathanKell|WORK> SlainteMaith: Our family did _not_ really fit in Fairfield County.
<taniwha> did it on twitch, but didn'f find out I had to enable archives until afterwards
<SlainteMaith> Heh. I'm -not- one of those people. It was alien to me. At least the money involved in her family was.
<NathanKell|WORK> Yeah
<taniwha> stock slave-race, but not your usual slave-race design or flying :)
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn NathanKell|WORK
* Qboid gives NathanKell|WORK a Bravais monad-like ferram4
<NathanKell|WORK> only egg could make a bot ping two people at once
<NathanKell|WORK> Admittedly he is rather weaponized.
<SlainteMaith> So it -was- a bot? my wife was right.
<NathanKell|WORK> egg? Despite appearances egg is not a bot.
* NathanKell|WORK hides
<taniwha> he's a pre-bot
<taniwha> he might become one later
<SlainteMaith> No. QBoid.
<NathanKell|WORK> he aspires to bothood
<NathanKell|WORK> yep, Qboid's a nice and helpful create of Thomas's
<NathanKell|WORK> s/create/creature/
<Qboid> NathanKell|WORK meant to say: yep, Qboid's a nice and helpful creature of Thomas's
<NathanKell|WORK> Although I'm fairly sure if not for qboid, egg would respond to s// statements
<NathanKell|WORK> I mean, to be fair, we also have a regular expression
<NathanKell|WORK> he's just not logged in right now
<NathanKell|WORK> ah, which reminds me, egg, thanks for looking at that PR! :)
<SlainteMaith> My wife, who used to code on MUDs, suggested that he might be a bot.
<NathanKell|WORK> yep!
<NathanKell|WORK> We used to have checkpoint, too, but checkpoint alas is no more
<SlainteMaith> I was never that clever. She's a programmer, though. I just break things.
<NathanKell|WORK> :D
<SlainteMaith> I'm not sure what checkpoint means. I did PM--but only to ask if PMing would be better than the off topic crap I've been spewing out on this channel.
<SlainteMaith> I never quite 'got' IRC etiquette if I'm honest.
<NathanKell|WORK> We're very lax here, no worries :)
<Qboid> [#110] title: Add tracking stations used in launches from Kourou | I probably did not use the correct naming convention (nor range), but the location is correct. | https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem/issues/110
<NathanKell|WORK> checkpoint was a bot egg|zzz|egg made that would announce what sector you were in (Vous sortez du secteur americain when ferram and I went to sleep, e.g..)
<egg|zzz|egg> SlainteMaith: despite NathanKell|WORK's best efforts, when I'm around there's no real topic :-p
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<NathanKell|WORK> ah, right, SlainteMaith, were you properly greeted?
<NathanKell|WORK> I can't recall
<SlainteMaith> egg|zzz|egg Outstanding!
* NathanKell|WORK braces for impact
<egg|zzz|egg> NathanKell|WORK: speaking of which, have some catpics from kspacademia https://i.imgur.com/MLEq8qT.jpg
<SlainteMaith> Greeted?
<NathanKell|WORK> egg! Thou art summoned!
<SlainteMaith> Qboid said you left a message for me.
<SlainteMaith> So there was that. =)
<NathanKell|WORK> (and catpic dutifully forwarded to Michelle)
<NathanKell|WORK> While egg is greeting you, I'll head home. Cheers all!
<egg|zzz|egg> o/ SlainteMaith, welcome to ISS telemetry dumps, linguistics, modernist cooking, MOCKINGFORTRAN, marxist jokes, complaining about aerodynamics, linguistics jokes, messy PDEs, algebraic structures, 18th century realism mods, domesticated foxes, music of ancient greece, general bitterness, nietzschean bots, and occasionally Realism Overhaul
<egg|zzz|egg> NathanKell|WORK: cat not mine, proper attribution goes to whitequark
<SlainteMaith> Beheheheheh.
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<egg|zzz|egg> SlainteMaith: I used to greet every newcomer here with a variation of that
<SlainteMaith> Very nice. Go home, NathanKell. Give the family my regards. Even if they're like "Huh?" It'll make it funnier.,
<egg|zzz|egg> so they tended to thing I was a bot
<SlainteMaith> Egg, that's pretty damned funny. =)
<SlainteMaith> You still might be for all I know. But a damned entertaining one, and so long as you keep responding like you're human, I'll play along.
<egg|zzz|egg> sleeping of which I should sleep
<SlainteMaith> Should you?
* egg|zzz|egg stares at what he just wrote Ꙩ_ꙩ
<SlainteMaith> He? If you're a bot the whole 'he/she' thing should be dodgy.
<egg|zzz|egg> (ah but I'm clearly a french bot, and haven't quite grasped english's odd relation to grammatical gender; a robot is clearly masculine, while a machine is feminine)
<Bornholio> gender attributation needs no limits
<Bornholio> unlike some math
<egg|zzz|egg> also given how bad I am at actually sleeping I am probably a bot
* egg|zzz|egg beeps
<SlainteMaith> Someone please remind me to read Egg's text with a French accent?
<taniwha> Bornholio: until you discover that your singularity bearing math cancels out :)
<Bornholio> taniwha i'm a meat popsicle
<egg|zzz|egg> SlainteMaith: hoquet, aille ouile rimaillnde iou tou ride aigues texte ouize a frainnche accent
<Bornholio> lol
<taniwha> nearly, but not quite, incomprehensible
<taniwha> egg|zzz|egg: sorry, try again ;)
<egg|zzz|egg> taniwha: feed it to a french text-to-speech, it should be reasonably accurate :-p
<Dasm> I think PEG is having issues handling my atlas 1LV
<SlainteMaith> Very nice! I'll start speaking Irish then, which is completely f'ing incomprehensible. Don't believe me?
* egg|zzz|egg hears animals eating each other or somesuch
<taniwha> ruatha = red's ford (apparently). I believe you :)
<SlainteMaith> "Tiochfaidh ar la" is pronounced, in English, "Chuckie Ar La."
<SlainteMaith> Game over.
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn SlainteMaith
* Qboid gives SlainteMaith a carbon cohomology-like zone
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn taniwha
* Qboid gives taniwha a mutually intelligible ?
* egg|zzz|egg zzz
<SlainteMaith> Not wpn?
<SlainteMaith> Sleeping. And by sleeping I mean 'losing consciousness.'
<soundnfury> !wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid gives egg|zzz|egg a nitrated ███████
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<NathanKell> o/
<soundnfury> \o
<soundnfury> (tbh it's probably zzz-o'clock for me)
<soundnfury> (but I can't leave just as a NathanKell arrives, that would just be *wrong*)
<taniwha> NathanKell: o/
<acharles> NathanKell: o/
<acharles> Or as in Eve, o7
<Dasm> NathanKell: Can you do a stream and show me how to do Mechjeb's ascent autopilot? It won't ascend my rocket
<acharles> Which is easier to distinguish in Eve’s font.
<acharles> Dasm: Are you using lamont’s MJ or the standard one?
<acharles> And what do you mean by, won’t ascent your rocket? It ends up too low, too high?
<NathanKell> Dasm: what kind of LV?
<Dasm> NathanKell: Atlas 1
<Dasm> acharles: I'm using peg testing 13
<NathanKell> Dasm: Atlas I you mean?
<Dasm> Yes
<NathanKell> I'm not aware of an Atlas 1
<NathanKell> Ok
<NathanKell> what parts does your craft file use?
<NathanKell> partmods*
<acharles> NathanKell: Altas 1 == Atlas I, much like Atlas 5 == Atlas V?
<NathanKell> acharles: Atlas is weird. It was A through I, but then instead of I-the-letter, they treated it as I-the-Roman-numeral
<NathanKell> and then made II, III, and V.
<NathanKell> (although III was with a new engine and V was basically a whole new LV)
<acharles> NathanKell: Yeah, I remember that. :P
<NathanKell> ok
<NathanKell> :)
<acharles> NathanKell: But everyone pronounces it Atlas 1. :P
<Dasm> NathanKell: FASA
<NathanKell> acharles: yeah
<NathanKell> Dasm: Ok, then give me the craft file :)
<NathanKell> Dasm: no payload though
<NathanKell> I don't have those mods, just the LV
<Dasm> NathanKell: 1000kg payload
<acharles> I’m watching a stock tutorial for ksp. It’s almost funny how weird it is to explain why you can’t do multiple crew reports without either transmitting them or eva’ing.
<NathanKell> heh
<acharles> NathanKell: His explanation was the there’s a clipboard that Jeb used to fill out a form. And in order to get a new form, Jeb has to get out and move the clipboard under his chair, which is notionally where the stored experiments are kept.
<taniwha> NathanKell: don't forget the vid (but at your leisure)
<acharles> Which does accurately explain the way the code works, even though it makes no sense. :P
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<NathanKell|Twitch> taniwha: Ah! Right!
<soundnfury> I do find it odd that even as I get into 1960/1 rocket tech, my small kick stages are still using the XASR-1 or AJ10-27.
<taniwha> Dasm: twitch ^
<NathanKell|Twitch> it's because you hate solids, soundnfury
<soundnfury> Surely there must have been some other 3-4klbf engine eventually to replace them, but in RO we have nothing else between the 1.1kN thruster and small-upper-stage engines like Able
<soundnfury> NathanKell|Twitch: Yes, I thought you'd say that
<soundnfury> ah well, definitely should zzz now; nn all
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<github> [RealismOverhaul] raidernick pushed 8 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQDDs
<github> RealismOverhaul/master 2a26aa4 raidernick: craft file update for previous changes
<github> RealismOverhaul/master 9220ec5 raidernick: RN KK fairings fix...
<github> RealismOverhaul/master 9352dc8 raidernick: more craft updates for previous fixes
<github> [RealismOverhaul] raidernick closed pull request #1697: RN KK fairings fix (master...master) https://git.io/vQKbY
<github> [RealismOverhaul] raidernick opened pull request #1701: RN R-36 warhead config adds (master...master) https://git.io/vQDDB
<Raidernick> Dasm, yes?
<NathanKell|Twitch> soundnfury: I agree, there must have been. Especially for the Russians.
<NathanKell|Twitch> lamont: Couple weird things. I clicked reinit stages and PEG put me in terminal guidance, had to disable/reeneble peg from the button. Also, with equal Ap and Pe, PEG claims "Ap < Pe, circ at Pe"
<Bornholio> CBK seems to be the root cause of the reseting higher level R&D and Pad graphics https://github.com/sarbian/CustomBarnKit/issues/5 duplicated the problem with just CKB and modded default config.
<Qboid> [#5] title: R&D and pad with higher than normal levels reverts to base graphics | Found using RO/RP-0 originally, duplicated on stock+CBK and modded default config.... | https://github.com/sarbian/CustomBarnKit/issues/5
<Dasm> Raidernick: Oh, I was having an issue with animations on some of your probes cycling repeatedly, is this a known issue or should I make a report on it?
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<Raidernick> Dasm, i've never seen that happen
<Raidernick> don't submit any reports for anything until you verify you are using the right version of the mod for the game and test it with no other mods installed
<Raidernick> i can pretty much guarantee you have another plugin causing an issue
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<github> [RealismOverhaul] raidernick closed pull request #1701: RN R-36 warhead config adds (master...master) https://git.io/vQDDB
<github> [RealismOverhaul] raidernick pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQD5Z
<github> RealismOverhaul/master 9a1b7d8 raidernick: RN R-36 warhead config adds...
<github> RealismOverhaul/master 054f293 raidernick: Merge pull request #1701 from raidernick/master...
<github> RealismOverhaul/master d6efdbd raidernick: Merge branch 'KSP-RO/master'
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<Pap> o/
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<Hohman> how did anyone survive that era
<Hohman> like
<Hohman> how even
<Bornholio> :0 guts
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<acharles> Pap: Can you have a contract require the satellite be in a specific position in an orbit?
<Dasm> Did you know... that someone put a B52 into orbit in RSS/RO? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7mtjRh-xBk
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<taniwha> NathanKell|NOMZ: may be a good time for the vid :)
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<Dasm> Pap:
<Dasm> Can you look at this and tell me what I did wrong? Its a flyby finder window http://i.imgur.com/RpQZM1I.png
<Pap> Looks like you have 3 flyby, no?
<Dasm> earth>venus>earth>jupiter
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<Pap|Mobile> Sorry, we've got some bad weather here. Wi-Fi going in and out
<Dasm> Its fine
<Dasm> I'm looking for transfers and.. 6455 Dv total to eject earth SOI then come back to slingshot to jupiter, and 6481 to go straight to Jupiter
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<NathanKell|Twitch> Pap|Mobile: Uh, did you give the ECC a modulesciencecontainer ?
<blowfish> Russia planning a common bulkhead fuel tank? What madness is this?
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<github> [RP-0] NathanKell pushed 1 new commit to Pap-TechTree: https://git.io/vQDpc
<github> RP-0/Pap-TechTree b30102a NathanKell: Add science containers to the cores @pap1723 added. Also enable stock transfer.
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<ProjectThoth> NathanKell: Well, I'm finally back.
<blowfish> whoa, quite an elaborate illustration of the Centaur's HTP-driven boost pumps: https://pbhistoryrsa.grc.nasa.gov/Images/History/Centaur/AC-3%20Boost%20Pump%20drawings-1.jpg
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<Dasm> What did I do wrong here? http://i.imgur.com/Ysz6S4J.png
<RokkerSleep> Dasm: errythang
<RokkerSleep> i unno
<RokkerSleep> not an expert at mechjab
<Dasm> Something went wrong.. g'night RokkerSleep
<RokkerSleep> Dasm: what happened
<Dasm> Well.. look at my orbital info.. I set the orbit to 145 and eved up with a PE of -1000something and a AP of 750somethingkm
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<taniwha> VICTORY!!!!!!
<taniwha> I have achieved what I thought would prove impossible
<EsperNet-> taniwha: You converted to Windows?
<taniwha> repaired the damaged smt micro usb socket on my headphones
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<NathanKell> ah, awesome!
<taniwha> took some very fine soldering :)
<NathanKell> :)
<NathanKell> On that happy note, see you tomorrow!
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<taniwha> and conversion to windows isn't impossible, just less likely than a snowball surviving on the surface of the sun
<Dasm> crap
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<Dasm> Well I broke it
<Dasm> taniwha: Can you help.. maybe?
<taniwha> Dasm: sorry, not now
<taniwha> cleaning up after the soldering, and then I have to pick up the kids
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<xShadowx> taniwha: soldering the micro sized stuff? i HATE those -.-
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<Maxsimal> o/
<taniwha> even more victory
<taniwha> I got the darn things back together
<taniwha> and they seem to work :)
<taniwha> yup, both usb and analog connections work
<taniwha> probably bluetooth too
<taniwha> (don't particularly care)
<taniwha> but word to the wise: do not drop your Sennheiser headphones, especially when wired
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<Pap> o/
<taniwha> o/
<Theysen> o/
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<Maxsimal> o/
<Pap> \o
<Maxsimal> how's it goin?
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<Pap> Good, much better day today than yesterday
<Pap> Did you figure out the MM configs for those tags?
<Maxsimal> No, not yet, haven't even really started in on that part.
<Maxsimal> Hard to split up time on the weekdays to work, play, mod, and give attention to my gf, I think she's already getting jealous of KSP.
<Theysen> ^ get her into it too :^)
<github> [RealismOverhaul] PhineasFreak opened pull request #1702: [New Parts] SNAP RTG series (master...RO-SNAP-RTG-Add) https://git.io/vQyyF
<Pap> Theysen: but then he might need to share his PC
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<Theysen> true
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<Maxsimal> Theysen: I tried, but she's more of an RPG gamer
<Maxsimal> Pap: We have two PC's and a bunch of tablets, no worries there :P
<Theysen> my gf uses a pc for netflix and studies, nothing more :D
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<Dasm> Theysen: Tell her that the kerbals level up and gain abilities.
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<Qboid> Pap: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<NathanKell|WORK> \o/
<Qboid> NathanKell|WORK: Pap left a message for you in #RO [12.07.2017 16:55:12]: "GLONASS awaits...https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/329685702247841792/334739310106640384/unknown.png"
<Pap> oh, hello, didn't see you logged on!
<Pap> If I do a git merge on my branch (locally) it will merge the master to my branch, but not overwrite anything in my branch, correct?
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<Dasm> Hmmm
<Dasm> Is there something special I have to do with PEG if I want to get a high polar orbit? I'm getting a bunch of NaN
<Sigma88> pap depends what you do
<Sigma88> I use the desktop app
<Sigma88> when I select my branch and compare it to the master
<Sigma88> I get a button which says "Update from master" or something like that
<lamont> Dasm: no
<lamont> PEG right now has nothing at all to do with inclination
<Dasm> Then I definitely configured something wrong
<lamont> PEG only does single burns and only does what you tell it to
<lamont> if it can’t reach the orbit you want on a single burn it will NaN, it can’t do coast phases / mutiburn
<Pap> Thanks Sigma88
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<lamont> check your num stages and if the stage display doesn’t make sense try hitting ‘recalculate’
<lamont> hot staging is a hot mess and will trash PEGs idea of stages
<Dasm> lamont: This is what I'm looking at http://i.imgur.com/ARI4CPq.png
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn lamont
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<Dasm> lamont: I reset the sage and got.. : http://i.imgur.com/QCUyTWN.png But I'm still unguided
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<egg|zzz|egg> lamont: FYI Cayley is scheduled for release on the 23rd, so probably we'll build it on the 21st/22nd, in case you want to get your makefile changes in for Cayley
<egg|zzz|egg> !wpn Sigma88
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<Sigma88> !wpn egg
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<lamont> egg: i’ve got principia in my main RSS game now
<lamont> Dasm: num stages is ‘2’ but you’ve only got 1 stage
<Dasm> I was having the same problem before I changed the staging
<lamont> yeah but its running 2 stage PEG math on a single stage, and probably a stage full of zero or something
<lamont> ro its just throwing like crazy?
<lamont> i clearly never considered that might happen
<egg|zzz|egg> lamont: yay (was talking about your PR specifically)
<lamont> egg: yeah the fact that i’m playing with it means Makefile just got higher priority in my brain
<egg|zzz|egg> :D
<Dasm> lamont: What about this? http://i.imgur.com/MlJ2sMP.png
<lamont> you can’t reach that in a single burn
<Dasm> I can
<Dasm> OIHHH
<Dasm> Ohh*
<lamont> pretty sure you can’t
<Dasm> A single burn
<Dasm> Gotya
<lamont> try 185 x 7300
<lamont> yes
<Dasm> Thank you
<lamont> heh
<Dasm> That makes sense
<Dasm> NOW I got it
<lamont> i know there exists math to allow coast phases, but i don’t know that math yet
<Dasm> lamont: Thank you for your work and dedication
<ProjectThoth> Titan/Centaur?
<Dasm> Yup
<ProjectThoth> What kind of payload? Guessing about 5-7 tons to LEO.
<NathanKell|WORK> Pap: assuming you pushed local master to github, then I would do (in the client) git fetch && git merge --ff origin/master
<NathanKell|WORK> if your local master is in sync with remote, then you can just do git merge --ff master
<Dasm> ProjectThoth: Its like 2 tons, to 7300x7300 polar
<ProjectThoth> Dasm: Oh, you're doing mapping?
<NathanKell|WORK> That's more than half of the delta V to GEO...
<Dasm> ProjectThoth: Yup yup
<Dasm> nathankell|Its the Titan 23G
<Dasm> NathanKell|WORK: Its the 23G
<NathanKell|WORK> Dasm: 23G plus Centaur?
<NathanKell|WORK> The liftoff TWR must be pretty poor then
<Dasm> 1.6
<Dasm> iirc
<NathanKell|WORK> That...can't be right
<NathanKell|WORK> You're sticking 15t on top of Titan II, and getting a higher liftoff TWR than the real thing?
<Dasm> I'll do a check once this thing is in orbit
<NathanKell|WORK> Wait
<NathanKell|WORK> are you not including the second half of the LV?
<NathanKell|WORK> And replacing the second stage with Centaur?
<Dasm> Right, I'm not using the LR91
<ProjectThoth> Surprised that never flew.
<lamont> NathanKell|WORK: which launch had the terminal guidance bug last night?
<Dasm> lamont: The Atlas I, When he hit recalculate stages it wehnt unguided terminal
<Dasm> went*
<Dasm> Reinitialize*
<NathanKell|WORK> ProjectThoth: Titan wasn't a separable thing
<Dasm> ProjectThoth: Suprised what never flew?
<NathanKell|WORK> Like with Atlas you can't fly without the boosters, you couldn't fly Titan with just half the vehicle
<ProjectThoth> Dasm: Titan/Centaur. I should rephrase myself; I'm surprised it was never *proposed*.
<ProjectThoth> NathanKell|WORK: ^
<NathanKell|WORK> But Titan had enough thrust that yeah, that'd work
<NathanKell|WORK> Convair was rather protective of Centaur, I would guess :]
<NathanKell|WORK> lamont: I forget exactly, but I could repro it fairly consistently from clicking 'reinit stages' while already in stable PEG
<NathanKell|WORK> I think it was a Curlew C
<Dasm> NathanKell|WORK: Convair? The aircraft company?
<NathanKell|WORK> The people who, you know, made Atlas and Centaur. :]
<ProjectThoth> Dasm: Strap some UA1207s to it, if you ever get the chance.
<NathanKell|WORK> At which point they did, and it was called IIIE :)
<ProjectThoth> NathanKell|WORK: Oh, I'm sure a IIIE would be slightly better, I'm just curious.
<NathanKell|WORK> Yeah
<ProjectThoth> And still waiting... for the Bitcoin craze... to wear off...
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<github> [RealismOverhaul] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vQSWD
<github> RealismOverhaul/master 53cb7d6 Phineas Freak: [New Parts] SNAP RTG series (#1702)...
<github> [RealismOverhaul] pap1723 closed pull request #1702: [New Parts] SNAP RTG series (master...RO-SNAP-RTG-Add) https://git.io/vQyyF
<ProjectThoth> Looks like it might be over by the end of the month. Then I can finally do things in RO.
<NathanKell|WORK> ProjectThoth: Interestingly, Titan II with Centaur and ~2t payload had a liftoff TWR of precisely 1.2 :)
<NathanKell|WORK> just ran the numbers
<ProjectThoth> NathanKell|WORK: That's wonderfully convenient.
<NathanKell|WORK> ikr
<Dasm> Have I mentioned that I love the Centaur? Its seems really versatile
<NathanKell|WORK> and it should push the G loading on the upper down to soemthing quite sane
<NathanKell|WORK> Rokker: given how much of an early fetish USAF had for hydrolox, why do you think they didn't try for Titan II/Centaur then?
<NathanKell|WORK> Or Titan II/anyhydrolox
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<ProjectThoth> Dasm: Centaur is one of the coolest stages ever developed.
<github> [RealismOverhaul] pap1723 opened pull request #1703: [New Parts] SNAP RTG series (#1702) (pap1723-ROupdates...master) https://git.io/vQSlV
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<Dasm> Alright.. How to get 2tonnes to Lunar orbit
<Dasm> Titan Centaur?
<Pap> Titan IIIE Centaur should do it
<Dasm> I don't have the UA SRBs unlocked yet
<NathanKell|WORK> Then you're gonna need a bigger rocket
<Dasm> I could send it on a custom rocket with a F1
<github> [RealismOverhaul] pap1723 closed pull request #1646: BDB Global Patches (master...BDB_Global_Config) https://git.io/vHZxf
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<Pap> NathanKell|WORK: I hope you intended that to be read in the voice of Chief Brody, beucase that is how I read it
<lamont> okay that was funny
<NathanKell|WORK> :)
<NathanKell|WORK> brb
<github> [RealismOverhaul] pap1723 closed pull request #1690: [Bug Fix] RO Agena engine plume (master...RO-Agena-Engine-Plume-Tweaks) https://git.io/vQYFt
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<github> RealismOverhaul/master 6ca27df Phineas Freak: [Bug Fix] RO Agena engine plume (#1690)...
<github> [RealismOverhaul] pap1723 closed pull request #1673: Add Ludicrous Propulsion Systems to have RP support (master...master) https://git.io/vH9PC
<Dasm> Almost forgot that My cryo fuels would burn off before I got to the moon
<ProjectThoth> Dasm: Centaur for TLI, hypergols for LOI?
<Pap> ProjectThoth, Dasm: or Solids for LOI
<Dasm> ProjectThoth: What engine do you reccomend for LOI? AJ10?
<ProjectThoth> Dasm: AJ10 seems a bit overkill, but maybe.
<ProjectThoth> Pap: Tru.
<Pap> Dasm: Not the AJ10 if you can avoid it, it requires a highly pressurized tank (heavier) than somehing like an Agena
<ProjectThoth> Dasm: What kind of hypergol engines do you have?
<Dasm> How much Dv do I need to circularize at the Moon? Altitude 7000km
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<ProjectThoth> Uhh... off the top of my head, about 800 m/s.
<Dasm> I can Strap 3 Altair IIs on the bottom of my probe and get 800 m/s
<Pap> Dasm: will that be lighter, or heavier than a liquid stage?
<Pap> Also, will you spin stabilize before firing that much thrust?
<Dasm> I can point it with RCS
<Dasm> Start TWR is 2.5
<Dasm> End TWR is 3.42
<ProjectThoth> Wouldn't it be easier to have a liquid stage?
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<Dasm> ProjectThoth: I'm testing a liquid stage with 4x 1kn thrusters burning hydrazine and its slightly heavier
<ProjectThoth> Hm.
<ProjectThoth> Dasm: How much heavier?
<Dasm> 200kg heavier
<Dasm> And much lower TWR
<ProjectThoth> That's quite a bit.
<Dasm> I think I can make my whole probe lighter though
<Dasm> 1 sec
<Dasm> I had a big pioneer dish on the side of my Earth polar probe to balance the altimetry scanner, I could take that off for the Moon
<ProjectThoth> I mean, if you can make up for it, I'd advocate a hydrazine upper.
<Dasm> But SRB stages are fun :D
<Pap> For the Moon, all you need is a Communotron 16
<Dasm> ProjectThoth: What is the best RCS fuel?
<ProjectThoth> Dasm: Hydrazine's pretty good all-around.
<Bornholio> pap do you have FASA on your test build? Dasm i like A50+NTO unless you are limited to monpropellant
<Pap> Bornholio: I actually do not, this might be the first build I have without it
<Pap> Dasm: Cavea-B poision all the Moon dwellers
<Bornholio> I can't figure out why the antenna module is being deleted for RT
<Pap> Did you look at your MM Config Cache?
<Dasm> Yo, I reduced my craft's mass to less than 1000kg, I should be able to send it with an Atlas Centaur
<Bornholio> Cavea-B if you must, monoprop and do moon landings or sample return
<Pap> Dasm: This guy is undersanding how RO works now
<Bornholio> yes pap opened it and its missing
<ProjectThoth> Dasm: Yay!
<Dasm> And 1288Dv on my probe stage
<Pap> ah Bornholio, I think I see what the issue might be
<Bornholio> ???
<Pap> It doesn't remoove ModuleDataTransmitter in the CFG if you have RT installed, I believe it needs that now with Stock CommNet
<Pap> I'll push an update, wnat to test it?
<Bornholio> sure
<Bornholio> just a sec, re you sure?
<Pap> Bornholio: I am pretty sure, it had to be added after 1.2 becaose of ComNet changes from the way I understand it
<Bornholio> i saw a module delete in RT config
<Maxsimal> Pap: Have decouplers had their 'enable crossfeed' ability turned off in RO, or is that just a bug in my game? It's visible, but I can't change the setting to enable it (though sometimes in flight it's enabled)
<Bornholio> this is in the FASA RT config " !MODULE[ModuleDataTransmitter] {}"
<Bornholio> so is that ofrmatted wrong?
<Pap> Maxsimal: it should be enabled
<Pap> Bornholio: where is that from?
<Bornholio> \GameData\RemoteTech\RemoteTech_FASA_Antennas.cfg
<Pap> Let me look
<Bornholio> it should also be adding a proper ModuleRTAntenna
<Maxsimal> Pap: Guess I have a bug then somehow. Annoying, can't employ my rocket drop tank strategies. :)
<Bornholio> side decouplers don't have transfer
<Maxsimal> Bornholio: Ah ok
<Bornholio> well except the aircraft structural pylons that i was told is cheating :)
<Pap> Bornholio: That looks like it is formatted wrong in the RT config
<Pap> It is missing an asterix
<Bornholio> ok i'll try fixing and PR it over there
<Bornholio> does RT or comnet blow up if they are bothere there?
<Maxsimal> Anyone having trouble embedding images in forum posts?
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<Bornholio> yes, mainly Vgifs
<Pap> Maxsimal: I haven't tried in a long time
<Pap> Bornholio: test to see if that works
<Bornholio> k
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<NCommander> I feel like someone has beaten me w/ a stick
<Bornholio> haven't hey?
* egg pets NCommander with a cat
* Pap doesn't think egg understands how cats work
<Rokker> NathanKell|AWAY: well titan o.o had a fairly low twr at takeoff didn't it?
<Qboid> Rokker: TheKosmonaut left a message for you in #SpaceX [12.07.2017 14:13:22]: "http://reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/6mrocf/how_do_i_deal_with_bharat/dk3x3pt that's pretty ingenious."
<ProjectThoth> Kitty!
<Dasm> lamont: Are you around?
<lamont> sorta
<Dasm> lamont: This video, around the 25:00 mark https://www.twitch.tv/videos/158454508
<lamont> ah yeah thanks — i actually dug that up already
<Dasm> Ah, okay
<lamont> that was this comment: “lamont: okay that was funny”
<soundnfury> Pap: btw, I've been meaning to say: your contracts and tech tree rework are _awesome_.
<soundnfury> I just thought I should mention that
<Dasm> NathanKell|WORK: I landed the Surveyor probe- 50 m/s and I bounced across the lunar surface
<lamont> nathan makes for a fairly good playtester because he’s impulsively clicky
<Dasm> The surveyor is suprisingly robust
<Pap> Thank you soundnfury, I really appreciate that
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<Bornholio> pap neither your edit or mine of the RT config changed how FASA antennas worked
<Bornholio> .sigh
<Pap> Damn, thought that would be it. Are all of the FASA antennas borked?
<Bornholio> well at least for me they are :P
<Bornholio> and i did a search all containers using notepad for anything eles that might mess with it in gamedata
<Dasm> What is the optimal Altimetry scanning altitude?
<Bornholio> it seems like it should just go FASA->RT->RO->RP-0 ... Dasm i do 480 to be safe
<Bornholio> max is 500km
<Dasm> I'm at 700KM
<Dasm> 7300
<Bornholio> SAR?
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<Bornholio> SAR is ideal 7500-8000km
<Dasm> Alright, thanks
<Bornholio> if you are doing biome/SAR just get near biomes limit of 7500 and don't worry about ideal for SAR
<Bornholio> sorry 5000km
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<egg|zzz|egg> Pap: what do you mean I don't understand how cats work
<soundnfury> egg|zzz|egg: a cat may look at a king, but may an egg look at a cat?
<NCommander> Pap, egg|zzz|egg doesn't get cats because they don't come out of an egg
<ProjectThoth> Cats don't come out of eggs?
<ProjectThoth> Aww, shucks, that's adorable.
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<ProjectThoth> Project Rho has some new (at least, I've never seen them) illustrations of Sea Dragon. http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/surfaceorbit.php#id--Sea_Dragon
<ProjectThoth> Apparently the ribbed "interstage" was just the expandable S2 nozzle.
<Dasm> Any one have a detailed diagram of the Saturn Apollo rocket?
<Bornholio> best source for details is http://heroicrelics.org/info/s-ic/s-ic-assembly.html for most of our fun.
<Dasm> How do I put the FASA docking thing
<Dasm> OH! Its supposed to extend, by the FASA one doesn't
<Dasm> but*
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<Pap> soundnfury: are you still around?
* NCommander is talented :/
<NCommander> I've managed to get a resource leak in a Python app
<soundnfury> Pap: yes
<soundnfury> NCommander: needs more with
<Pap> RIS is not officially released, correct?
<soundnfury> uhhhh...
<soundnfury> there is a release but it's described as a beta
<soundnfury> and I haven't sent it to CKAN or anything like that
<Pap> do you have a link to it? Does it work wiht 1.3?
<soundnfury> and probably not; I've only built it against 1.2.2
<Pap> ok, thanks
* soundnfury hasn't actually even downloaded 1.3 yet
<Pap> me neither ;)
<soundnfury> *high-five*
<Pap> RO isn't 1.3 capable, no point
<soundnfury> Yup.
<ProjectThoth> I'm still waiting for my graphics card. :/
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<Dasm> What is this artifact that is following my craft? http://i.imgur.com/opBg0Dc.png
<Dasm> There's a little .. thing
<Dasm> Not even a thing, its only visible from a specific view angle
<Dasm> So its not "really" there, its.. and artifact
<Dasm> an*
<Pap> Possibly an interstage fairing still following you on the coast to the Moon?
<Dasm> I decoupled them all
<Dasm> Before I decoupled the LEM from the CM, it was next to the CM
<Pap> yes, but did it have enought decoupled force to not continue on your same path to the moon?
<Pap> Remmeber, the S-IVB stage impacted the Moon in all but (I think 1) of the Apollo missions
<Dasm> Oh no no, its absolutely not a fairing, all 4 were ejected out, its definitely an artifact
<Pap> ok, then yep, I am going with a grpahics glitch :)
<Dasm> I'll try switching vessles
<Dasm> Still there.. I'm assuming some part is causing it
<ProjectThoth> Reload the whole thing?
<Pap> FASA LEM, known to be very glitchy
<ProjectThoth> Just wondering, does BDB have a RO config for its LM?
<Dasm> Seen, now its next to the CM: http://i.imgur.com/XgUKHiN.png
<ProjectThoth> Dasm: Have you done a reload, out of curiosity?
<Pap> not yet ProjectThoth, hopefully I will do that soon
<Dasm> yes
<ProjectThoth> Pap: Ooh, shiny!
<ProjectThoth> Dasm: Hmm.
<ProjectThoth> I guess it's model-related, then. :/
<Pap> Excellent, all the RTG's are working and in the tree!
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<Pap> o/
<ProjectThoth> TL;DR: Using an aeroshell to brake a TransHab module into LEO.
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<CobaltWolf> yo soundnfury
<ProjectThoth> Is anyone on here working on a Sea Dragon mod?
<Bornholio> http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/134934-1213-real-scale-sea-dragon-034-2016-07-12/
<ProjectThoth> I'm assuming that's NBones?
<soundnfury> CobaltWolf: ohai
<CobaltWolf> y0
<CobaltWolf> I've gotta bother you for something
<CobaltWolf> soundnfury: would it be possible to update RIS to 1.3?
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<soundnfury> CobaltWolf: well, I'm not likely to do it particularly soon, because RO & RP-0 for 1.3 doesn't seem particularly imminent
<soundnfury> (and I haven't even downloaded 1.3 yet)
<soundnfury> but it's entirely possible that it'll build with no changes, in which case I'm fine with someone else posting an unofficial dll ;)
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<Starwaster> dasm, that 'graogucak glitch' is caused by cosmic rays hitting your Kerbals eyes. Makes them see thingg
<Starwaster> graphical
<Dasm> ><
<Dasm> lamont: Hey, I tried to use PEG for a Saturn 5 stage, and everything was going fine until the S-IVB stage
<Dasm> And things got weird
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