<Bornholio>
ROkker better bwoop, 8xengine rocket start on a B-52
<Rokker>
Bornholio: on rockets tho
<SlainteMaith>
So should I just start relaying bugs directly on the Github or here? NathanKell is very good about responding to stuff here, but I really don't want to be a priority seeing as most of mine are minor.
<NathanKell|WORK>
ferram4: They made a play about her
<SlainteMaith>
Better Bwoop? Yes, she was hot.
<SlainteMaith>
And yes, before you ask: I've had mead. So coherence is unlikely.
<NathanKell|WORK>
SlainteMaith: :)
<NathanKell|WORK>
(going through scrollback, so re your compliment ^_^ )
<SlainteMaith>
Yeah. I was telling my wife last night how I could see why Steam would snag you up. You're definitely a professional.
<SlainteMaith>
You'll go far in the biz.
<SlainteMaith>
Errr Valve. Sorry.
<NathanKell|WORK>
:)
<SlainteMaith>
But now that you're here, it allows me to pose a question a second time: Should I just post bugs to Github rather than here in future?
<Starwaster>
it's a good idea to have a trackable issue that other people can participate in who might not be in the channel at the time
<NathanKell|WORK>
Um. If they're simple stuff, here's fine. If they're stuff that's not so simple, or not in our wheelhouses, github
<NathanKell|WORK>
For example, if you don't know if it's a bug, or it's something simple like that double decoupler thing, here's fine
<NathanKell|WORK>
especially because you may not know what repo to put it on--we may not know the cause at first!
<SlainteMaith>
I'm too new to this project to discern that, if I'm honest.
<NathanKell|WORK>
but in general, yeah, Starwaster's right, trackability is good :)
<NathanKell|WORK>
yeah, so ask here first, but an issue may be the best 2nd step :)
<SlainteMaith>
Fair enough. Just tell me to write something up if you need it written up.
<NathanKell|WORK>
ok!
<ferram4>
SlainteMaith, asking here is good to check to make sure the issue isn't, "Oh, I see. I'M the dumbass."
<SlainteMaith>
ferram4 Typically I -am- the dumbass. But I get your point. =)
<Bornholio>
Nathan what RP-0 file do i need to allow CBK to give more R&D or Pad levels, trying to duplicate my bug on a minimum mod install (KCT&CBK only)
<SlainteMaith>
I've laid some serious bugs at programmers feet only because it was failure of the imagination. Never with a moment of blame.
<ProjectThoth>
NathanKell|WORK: Sadly, gotta hike out again. But I get where you're coming from, I just have some thoughts on the matter that might make them more practical.
<SlainteMaith>
Here's the real question: My wife and I are going to Ireland in less than a week. How the HELL am I supposed to show up in pubs I've never been to and have a good time as an American when I'm dreadfully embarrassed to be so considering our current... Our current.
<ProjectThoth>
SlainteMaith: It's called "not giving a damn about what other people think."
<SlainteMaith>
ProjectThoth: That's all well and good until they want to beat you up.
<NathanKell|WORK>
SlainteMaith: I'd say 'first as tragedy, second as farce' but that was the 80s and 00s already, we're in megafarce now :P
<ProjectThoth>
SlainteMaith: Something tells me that you'll be fine.
<ProjectThoth>
People worry too much, jeez.
<ProjectThoth>
Anyway, bbl.
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<Dasm>
Is there any way I can hide Mechjeb's dropdown window? And what is this PEG people have been talking about?
<NathanKell|WORK>
I think if you go into the pubs with the intent to commiserate, you'll be most welcomed. It's not like the Irish aren't used to bad goverment they don't feel aligned with...
<NathanKell|WORK>
Dasm: click the close box on the window.
<egg|zzz|egg>
NathanKell|WORK: I have reviewed KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem#110 a bit
<Qboid>
[#110] title: Add tracking stations used in launches from Kourou | I probably did not use the correct naming convention (nor range), but the location is correct. | https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem/issues/110
<SlainteMaith>
Ha! Where are you -from- NathanKell, if I may ask?
<egg|zzz|egg>
(the latest changes were on my input in that channel too, but commenting directly on the PR is probably more convenient)
<SlainteMaith>
ProjectThoth just used a Terry Pratchett line, which endears me to him more than most may know.
<Qboid>
egg|zzz|egg: [MaDCoWS] => Massive and Distant Clusters of WISE Survey
<egg|zzz|egg>
MaDCoWS?
<NathanKell|WORK>
I lived in NYC for a few years before we moved out here, but I'm New England to the core :]
<SlainteMaith>
Covers a lot of ground NathanKell. I lived in Salem for over a year (At Hasbro Interactive)
<SlainteMaith>
Dare you be more specific?
<NathanKell|WORK>
CT, but I have cousins in Salem :)
<SlainteMaith>
I had a girlfriend in Danbury for a time.
<NathanKell|WORK>
Dad's from Concord (MA not NH), but we lived in southwest CT so he could commute to NYC to teach
<NathanKell|WORK>
(Norwalk to be precise, so very close)
<SlainteMaith>
Her parents lived in Old Greenwich.
<taniwha>
NathanKell|WORK: probably not the time for it for you, but I tried some streaming last night. sound level issues, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99pJQKyFi6k
<NathanKell|WORK>
Well, technically Rowayton, but we were the people who knew Rowayton was part of Norwalk, not part of Darien :P
<NathanKell|WORK>
taniwha: I'll take a peek when I get home! :)
<taniwha>
:)
<NathanKell|WORK>
SlainteMaith: Our family did _not_ really fit in Fairfield County.
<taniwha>
did it on twitch, but didn'f find out I had to enable archives until afterwards
<SlainteMaith>
Heh. I'm -not- one of those people. It was alien to me. At least the money involved in her family was.
<NathanKell|WORK>
Yeah
<taniwha>
stock slave-race, but not your usual slave-race design or flying :)
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn NathanKell|WORK
* Qboid
gives NathanKell|WORK a Bravais monad-like ferram4
<NathanKell|WORK>
only egg could make a bot ping two people at once
<NathanKell|WORK>
Admittedly he is rather weaponized.
<SlainteMaith>
So it -was- a bot? my wife was right.
<NathanKell|WORK>
egg? Despite appearances egg is not a bot.
* NathanKell|WORK
hides
<taniwha>
he's a pre-bot
<taniwha>
he might become one later
<SlainteMaith>
No. QBoid.
<NathanKell|WORK>
he aspires to bothood
<NathanKell|WORK>
yep, Qboid's a nice and helpful create of Thomas's
<NathanKell|WORK>
s/create/creature/
<Qboid>
NathanKell|WORK meant to say: yep, Qboid's a nice and helpful creature of Thomas's
<NathanKell|WORK>
Although I'm fairly sure if not for qboid, egg would respond to s// statements
<NathanKell|WORK>
I mean, to be fair, we also have a regular expression
<NathanKell|WORK>
he's just not logged in right now
<NathanKell|WORK>
ah, which reminds me, egg, thanks for looking at that PR! :)
<SlainteMaith>
My wife, who used to code on MUDs, suggested that he might be a bot.
<NathanKell|WORK>
yep!
<NathanKell|WORK>
We used to have checkpoint, too, but checkpoint alas is no more
<SlainteMaith>
I was never that clever. She's a programmer, though. I just break things.
<NathanKell|WORK>
:D
<SlainteMaith>
I'm not sure what checkpoint means. I did PM--but only to ask if PMing would be better than the off topic crap I've been spewing out on this channel.
<SlainteMaith>
I never quite 'got' IRC etiquette if I'm honest.
<NathanKell|WORK>
We're very lax here, no worries :)
<Qboid>
[#110] title: Add tracking stations used in launches from Kourou | I probably did not use the correct naming convention (nor range), but the location is correct. | https://github.com/KSP-RO/RealSolarSystem/issues/110
<NathanKell|WORK>
checkpoint was a bot egg|zzz|egg made that would announce what sector you were in (Vous sortez du secteur americain when ferram and I went to sleep, e.g..)
<egg|zzz|egg>
SlainteMaith: despite NathanKell|WORK's best efforts, when I'm around there's no real topic :-p
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<NathanKell|WORK>
ah, right, SlainteMaith, were you properly greeted?
<SlainteMaith>
Qboid said you left a message for me.
<SlainteMaith>
So there was that. =)
<NathanKell|WORK>
(and catpic dutifully forwarded to Michelle)
<NathanKell|WORK>
While egg is greeting you, I'll head home. Cheers all!
<egg|zzz|egg>
o/ SlainteMaith, welcome to ISS telemetry dumps, linguistics, modernist cooking, MOCKINGFORTRAN, marxist jokes, complaining about aerodynamics, linguistics jokes, messy PDEs, algebraic structures, 18th century realism mods, domesticated foxes, music of ancient greece, general bitterness, nietzschean bots, and occasionally Realism Overhaul
<egg|zzz|egg>
NathanKell|WORK: cat not mine, proper attribution goes to whitequark
<SlainteMaith>
Beheheheheh.
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<egg|zzz|egg>
SlainteMaith: I used to greet every newcomer here with a variation of that
<SlainteMaith>
Very nice. Go home, NathanKell. Give the family my regards. Even if they're like "Huh?" It'll make it funnier.,
<SlainteMaith>
You still might be for all I know. But a damned entertaining one, and so long as you keep responding like you're human, I'll play along.
<egg|zzz|egg>
sleeping of which I should sleep
<SlainteMaith>
Should you?
* egg|zzz|egg
stares at what he just wrote Ꙩ_ꙩ
<SlainteMaith>
He? If you're a bot the whole 'he/she' thing should be dodgy.
<egg|zzz|egg>
(ah but I'm clearly a french bot, and haven't quite grasped english's odd relation to grammatical gender; a robot is clearly masculine, while a machine is feminine)
<Bornholio>
gender attributation needs no limits
<Bornholio>
unlike some math
<egg|zzz|egg>
also given how bad I am at actually sleeping I am probably a bot
* egg|zzz|egg
beeps
<SlainteMaith>
Someone please remind me to read Egg's text with a French accent?
<taniwha>
Bornholio: until you discover that your singularity bearing math cancels out :)
<Bornholio>
taniwha i'm a meat popsicle
<egg|zzz|egg>
SlainteMaith: hoquet, aille ouile rimaillnde iou tou ride aigues texte ouize a frainnche accent
<Bornholio>
lol
<taniwha>
nearly, but not quite, incomprehensible
<taniwha>
egg|zzz|egg: sorry, try again ;)
<egg|zzz|egg>
taniwha: feed it to a french text-to-speech, it should be reasonably accurate :-p
<Dasm>
I think PEG is having issues handling my atlas 1LV
<SlainteMaith>
Very nice! I'll start speaking Irish then, which is completely f'ing incomprehensible. Don't believe me?
* egg|zzz|egg
hears animals eating each other or somesuch
<taniwha>
ruatha = red's ford (apparently). I believe you :)
<SlainteMaith>
"Tiochfaidh ar la" is pronounced, in English, "Chuckie Ar La."
<SlainteMaith>
Game over.
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn SlainteMaith
* Qboid
gives SlainteMaith a carbon cohomology-like zone
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn taniwha
* Qboid
gives taniwha a mutually intelligible ?
* egg|zzz|egg
zzz
<SlainteMaith>
Not wpn?
<SlainteMaith>
Sleeping. And by sleeping I mean 'losing consciousness.'
<soundnfury>
!wpn egg|zzz|egg
* Qboid
gives egg|zzz|egg a nitrated ███████
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<NathanKell>
o/
<soundnfury>
\o
<soundnfury>
(tbh it's probably zzz-o'clock for me)
<soundnfury>
(but I can't leave just as a NathanKell arrives, that would just be *wrong*)
<taniwha>
NathanKell: o/
<acharles>
NathanKell: o/
<acharles>
Or as in Eve, o7
<Dasm>
NathanKell: Can you do a stream and show me how to do Mechjeb's ascent autopilot? It won't ascend my rocket
<acharles>
Which is easier to distinguish in Eve’s font.
<acharles>
Dasm: Are you using lamont’s MJ or the standard one?
<acharles>
And what do you mean by, won’t ascent your rocket? It ends up too low, too high?
<NathanKell>
Dasm: what kind of LV?
<Dasm>
NathanKell: Atlas 1
<Dasm>
acharles: I'm using peg testing 13
<NathanKell>
Dasm: Atlas I you mean?
<Dasm>
Yes
<NathanKell>
I'm not aware of an Atlas 1
<NathanKell>
Ok
<NathanKell>
what parts does your craft file use?
<NathanKell>
partmods*
<acharles>
NathanKell: Altas 1 == Atlas I, much like Atlas 5 == Atlas V?
<NathanKell>
acharles: Atlas is weird. It was A through I, but then instead of I-the-letter, they treated it as I-the-Roman-numeral
<NathanKell>
and then made II, III, and V.
<NathanKell>
(although III was with a new engine and V was basically a whole new LV)
<acharles>
NathanKell: Yeah, I remember that. :P
<NathanKell>
ok
<NathanKell>
:)
<acharles>
NathanKell: But everyone pronounces it Atlas 1. :P
<Dasm>
NathanKell: FASA
<NathanKell>
acharles: yeah
<NathanKell>
Dasm: Ok, then give me the craft file :)
<NathanKell>
Dasm: no payload though
<NathanKell>
I don't have those mods, just the LV
<Dasm>
NathanKell: 1000kg payload
<acharles>
I’m watching a stock tutorial for ksp. It’s almost funny how weird it is to explain why you can’t do multiple crew reports without either transmitting them or eva’ing.
<acharles>
NathanKell: His explanation was the there’s a clipboard that Jeb used to fill out a form. And in order to get a new form, Jeb has to get out and move the clipboard under his chair, which is notionally where the stored experiments are kept.
<taniwha>
NathanKell: don't forget the vid (but at your leisure)
<acharles>
Which does accurately explain the way the code works, even though it makes no sense. :P
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<NathanKell|Twitch>
taniwha: Ah! Right!
<soundnfury>
I do find it odd that even as I get into 1960/1 rocket tech, my small kick stages are still using the XASR-1 or AJ10-27.
<taniwha>
Dasm: twitch ^
<NathanKell|Twitch>
it's because you hate solids, soundnfury
<soundnfury>
Surely there must have been some other 3-4klbf engine eventually to replace them, but in RO we have nothing else between the 1.1kN thruster and small-upper-stage engines like Able
<soundnfury>
NathanKell|Twitch: Yes, I thought you'd say that
<soundnfury>
ah well, definitely should zzz now; nn all
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<github>
[RealismOverhaul] raidernick pushed 8 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQDDs
<github>
RealismOverhaul/master 2a26aa4 raidernick: craft file update for previous changes
<github>
RealismOverhaul/master 9220ec5 raidernick: RN KK fairings fix...
<github>
RealismOverhaul/master 9352dc8 raidernick: more craft updates for previous fixes
<NathanKell|Twitch>
soundnfury: I agree, there must have been. Especially for the Russians.
<NathanKell|Twitch>
lamont: Couple weird things. I clicked reinit stages and PEG put me in terminal guidance, had to disable/reeneble peg from the button. Also, with equal Ap and Pe, PEG claims "Ap < Pe, circ at Pe"
<Bornholio>
CBK seems to be the root cause of the reseting higher level R&D and Pad graphics https://github.com/sarbian/CustomBarnKit/issues/5 duplicated the problem with just CKB and modded default config.
<Qboid>
[#5] title: R&D and pad with higher than normal levels reverts to base graphics | Found using RO/RP-0 originally, duplicated on stock+CBK and modded default config.... | https://github.com/sarbian/CustomBarnKit/issues/5
<Dasm>
Raidernick: Oh, I was having an issue with animations on some of your probes cycling repeatedly, is this a known issue or should I make a report on it?
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<Raidernick>
Dasm, i've never seen that happen
<Raidernick>
don't submit any reports for anything until you verify you are using the right version of the mod for the game and test it with no other mods installed
<Raidernick>
i can pretty much guarantee you have another plugin causing an issue
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<egg|zzz|egg>
lamont: FYI Cayley is scheduled for release on the 23rd, so probably we'll build it on the 21st/22nd, in case you want to get your makefile changes in for Cayley
<egg|zzz|egg>
!wpn Sigma88
* Qboid
gives Sigma88 a radio series
<Sigma88>
!wpn egg
* Qboid
gives egg a polarized truffle
<lamont>
egg: i’ve got principia in my main RSS game now
<lamont>
Dasm: num stages is ‘2’ but you’ve only got 1 stage
<Dasm>
I was having the same problem before I changed the staging
<lamont>
yeah but its running 2 stage PEG math on a single stage, and probably a stage full of zero or something
<lamont>
ro its just throwing like crazy?
<lamont>
i clearly never considered that might happen
<egg|zzz|egg>
lamont: yay (was talking about your PR specifically)
<lamont>
egg: yeah the fact that i’m playing with it means Makefile just got higher priority in my brain
<github>
[RealismOverhaul] pap1723 closed pull request #1673: Add Ludicrous Propulsion Systems to have RP support (master...master) https://git.io/vH9PC
<Dasm>
Almost forgot that My cryo fuels would burn off before I got to the moon
<ProjectThoth>
Dasm: Centaur for TLI, hypergols for LOI?
<Pap>
ProjectThoth, Dasm: or Solids for LOI
<Dasm>
ProjectThoth: What engine do you reccomend for LOI? AJ10?
<ProjectThoth>
Dasm: AJ10 seems a bit overkill, but maybe.
<ProjectThoth>
Pap: Tru.
<Pap>
Dasm: Not the AJ10 if you can avoid it, it requires a highly pressurized tank (heavier) than somehing like an Agena
<ProjectThoth>
Dasm: What kind of hypergol engines do you have?
<Dasm>
How much Dv do I need to circularize at the Moon? Altitude 7000km
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<ProjectThoth>
Uhh... off the top of my head, about 800 m/s.
<Dasm>
I can Strap 3 Altair IIs on the bottom of my probe and get 800 m/s
<Pap>
Dasm: will that be lighter, or heavier than a liquid stage?
<Pap>
Also, will you spin stabilize before firing that much thrust?
<Dasm>
I can point it with RCS
<Dasm>
Start TWR is 2.5
<Dasm>
End TWR is 3.42
<ProjectThoth>
Wouldn't it be easier to have a liquid stage?
<github>
[RealismOverhaul] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to pap1723-ROupdates: https://git.io/vQSBt
<github>
[RealismOverhaul] pap1723 pushed 1 new commit to pap1723-ROupdates: https://git.io/vQSBm
<github>
RealismOverhaul/pap1723-ROupdates a2bd108 pap1723: Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/origin/master' into pap1723-ROupdates
<Dasm>
ProjectThoth: I'm testing a liquid stage with 4x 1kn thrusters burning hydrazine and its slightly heavier
<ProjectThoth>
Hm.
<ProjectThoth>
Dasm: How much heavier?
<Dasm>
200kg heavier
<Dasm>
And much lower TWR
<ProjectThoth>
That's quite a bit.
<Dasm>
I think I can make my whole probe lighter though
<Dasm>
1 sec
<Dasm>
I had a big pioneer dish on the side of my Earth polar probe to balance the altimetry scanner, I could take that off for the Moon
<ProjectThoth>
I mean, if you can make up for it, I'd advocate a hydrazine upper.
<Dasm>
But SRB stages are fun :D
<Pap>
For the Moon, all you need is a Communotron 16
<Dasm>
ProjectThoth: What is the best RCS fuel?
<ProjectThoth>
Dasm: Hydrazine's pretty good all-around.
<Bornholio>
pap do you have FASA on your test build? Dasm i like A50+NTO unless you are limited to monpropellant
<Pap>
Bornholio: I actually do not, this might be the first build I have without it
<Pap>
Dasm: Cavea-B poision all the Moon dwellers
<Bornholio>
I can't figure out why the antenna module is being deleted for RT
<Pap>
Did you look at your MM Config Cache?
<Dasm>
Yo, I reduced my craft's mass to less than 1000kg, I should be able to send it with an Atlas Centaur
<Bornholio>
Cavea-B if you must, monoprop and do moon landings or sample return
<Pap>
Dasm: This guy is undersanding how RO works now
<Bornholio>
yes pap opened it and its missing
<ProjectThoth>
Dasm: Yay!
<Dasm>
And 1288Dv on my probe stage
<Pap>
ah Bornholio, I think I see what the issue might be
<Bornholio>
???
<Pap>
It doesn't remoove ModuleDataTransmitter in the CFG if you have RT installed, I believe it needs that now with Stock CommNet
<Pap>
I'll push an update, wnat to test it?
<Bornholio>
sure
<Bornholio>
just a sec, re you sure?
<Pap>
Bornholio: I am pretty sure, it had to be added after 1.2 becaose of ComNet changes from the way I understand it
<Bornholio>
i saw a module delete in RT config
<Maxsimal>
Pap: Have decouplers had their 'enable crossfeed' ability turned off in RO, or is that just a bug in my game? It's visible, but I can't change the setting to enable it (though sometimes in flight it's enabled)