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<NathanKell> o/
<xShadowx> o/
<xShadowx> yer late!
<xShadowx> jk
<xShadowx> trying to figure out how to make bubbles, as my kerbal drowns
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<github> RP-0/master bda41df NathanKell: Merge pull request #735 from ahmedcharles/avionics...
<github> [RP-0] NathanKell pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7WI2
<github> RP-0/master c82881b Ahmed Charles: Fix avionics for many RN parts.
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<leudaimon> would anyone have a suggestion why a gemini with an appolo docking port wouldn't be able to transfer crew?
<ProjectThoth> Docking port too smol.
<leudaimon> what do you mean?
<ProjectThoth> Oh, misread that.
<leudaimon> would a parachute block the docking port perhaps?
<NathanKell> leudaimon because the nose of the gemini can't transfer crew?
<NathanKell> maybe the gemini pod itself can't
<NathanKell> dunno
<leudaimon> ohhh
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<leudaimon> that would be sad
<leudaimon> hate to EVA
<NathanKell|NOMZ> gotta check whether each part is passable or not in the part module info tooltip I think
<NathanKell|NOMZ> if the pod itself can't, maybe PR that?
<leudaimon> yeah, I did an EVA to transfer to the station, but will try to fix that... I'll take a look now
<leudaimon> do you think a parachute between the pod and the docking port could block it?
<Qboid> Rokker: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<ProjectThoth> Huh, the B-2 looks like a very angry bird.
<leudaimon> NathanKell|NOMZ, I'm confused by the CLS settings in the gemini capsule... http://imgur.com/Pnloit1
<xShadowx> why confused o.O
<xShadowx> almost looks like it was double set, can pass, but cant pass :|
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<leudaimon> yeah...
<leudaimon> I made some tests in the VAB now (should have done before >.>)
<leudaimon> it isn't passable...
<leudaimon> I'll look how the CLS module is in the Apollo capsule and copy that
<Rokker> ProjectThoth: you should see it in person
<Rokker> ProjectThoth: looks very bird of prey
<ProjectThoth> I have.
<Rokker> ProjectThoth: not recently enough
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<Raidernick> NathanKell|NOMZ I forgot whether you said you changed the mix rates for lr87 or l91 for the hypergolic variants
<Raidernick> it was just the non hypgolic ones right?
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<blowfish> Okay, I'll fix this :FINAL thing for RF on KSP 1.2.2, then I should really release RF for KSP 1.3
<blowfish> does anyone have any objections?
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<Rokker> NathanKell|NOMZ: updated KCT, everything is less shit no
<Rokker> now
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<Rokker> I figured out how to get my sounding rocket to angle just slightly enough so that it doesnt land back on the ksc
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<blowfish> rokker: how do you get something that pointy to re-enter without frying?
<Rokker> blowfish: its just a low dV sounding rocket
<Rokker> blowfish: and the flared end helps with drag a decent bit
<blowfish> ah ok, so just low speed re-entry
<Rokker> yeah
<blowfish> night all!
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<ProjectThoth> Rokker: but u told me it wouldnt work :(
<Rokker> ProjectThoth: told you what wouldnt work
<ProjectThoth> the thing
<ProjectThoth> with drag
<Rokker> ...
<ProjectThoth> Oh, anyone made Rombus in RO yet?
<Rokker> idk what the hell ur talking about
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<NathanKell> !tell blowfish* for now I'd suggest just disabling engine heat.
<Qboid> NathanKell: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<NathanKell> !tell blowfish* In fact I think that may be what's screwing with analytic.
<Qboid> NathanKell: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
<NathanKell> ProjectThoth: I did a loooong time ago
<NathanKell> ProjectThoth but it requires a custom plug nozzle engine obvs
<ProjectThoth> NathanKell: Much success, aside from that?
<NathanKell> I think I made the tiniest version
<NathanKell> I mean, these days you'd have to make the engine have ModuleHeatShield and have it nomz LH2.
<NathanKell> That's the thing about Rombus: it makes perfect sense *if* you go with the numbers given.
<NathanKell> The point is whether you can actually get that from real materials.
<ProjectThoth> How mass-optimistic was it?
<NathanKell> As much the heat issues as that, IIRC
<ProjectThoth> Well, that's kinda lame. :9
<ProjectThoth> (
<ProjectThoth> I wonder if retro would help?
<NathanKell> You'd replace heat with Gs.
<ProjectThoth> laaaaame
<Rokker> NathanKell: y'know
<Rokker> ive been thinking about it
<Rokker> and ima have to switch back to stock
<Rokker> RO is just too boring and easy
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<xShadowx> NathanKell|Twitch: ban plz
<NathanKell|Twitch> Rokker: I'm so glad for you! It means you'll no longer be here whining about the YooSaf, but instead in kspofficial! :P
<ProjectThoth> NathanKell|Twitch: Eye twitch or streaming twitch?
<NathanKell|Twitch> streaming
<xShadowx> he already does kspo
<Rokker> NathanKell|Twitch: :(
<NathanKell|Twitch> imma launch titans
<xShadowx> he multi tasks
<Rokker> NathanKell|Twitch: ...
* Rokker opens twitch
<Rokker> NathanKell|Twitch: when are u coming to dayton to see the titans
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<ProjectThoth> I am moderately annoyed, I can't find a picture that I've seen dozens of times.
<ProjectThoth> And I can't mention it around Rokker, because it earns me his ire.
<ProjectThoth> It was from the late 50s, early '60s. Rocket being recovered by a gigantic ballute.
<ProjectThoth> Floating, for the record, and being towed by a battleship or something.
<Rokker> ProjectThoth: ...
<ProjectThoth> I told you, it was going to earn his ire.
<ProjectThoth> Rokker: You have to see it, though.
<Rokker> real or no?
<ProjectThoth> Concept art.
<ProjectThoth> Rokker: It's hilariously stupid, that's why I'm looking for it.
<ProjectThoth> Gah, I could practically draw it from memory.
<ProjectThoth> Rokker: Look at these patent drawings. https://www.google.com/patents/US20070012821
<Raidernick> Starwaster, you around?
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<Rokker> NathanKell|AWAY: who will spy on the russians if you go to bed
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<ProjectThoth> I still haven't found this thing.
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<Rokker> surely you don't mean thag
<Rokker> that
<Rokker> ProjectThoth:
<ProjectThoth> Nope, that's Sea Dragon.
<ProjectThoth> It had a gigantic inflatable ballute. Might have been an SSTO.
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<ProjectThoth> I swear to fuck, where is this fuckign drawing?
<Rokker> ProjectThoth: check your ideas notebook
<ProjectThoth> You know what I mean, you scruffy-looking nerfherder.
<ProjectThoth> Rokker: http://up-ship.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/roost.jpg Getting closer...
<Rokker> literal cancer
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<Lornuir> May I ask for help with RO-RP0 here?
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<Hypergolic_Skunk> Lornuir: what's up?
<Hypergolic_Skunk> (sorry, only saw your msg now)
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<Lornuir> Thanks anyway, i posted on RO thread an issue I'm having on reentry in Earth atmosphere. When launching an A-4 prebuilt rocket (that i presume comes from Taerobee pack), I'm capable of touching down Earth at nearly 950 m/s without the usual slowing down effects of the thickest parts of the atmosphere.
<Lornuir> However it *seems* that rockets built using procedural parts behave correctly (drag and g-force effectively destroy my fins and nose cone)
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<Hypergolic_Skunk> haven't tried an A-4 recently, so I have no experience that might help, sorry :)
<Hypergolic_Skunk> !tell Pap|Sleep hey, am I doing something wrong if my craft the GeoStationary Satellite contract (just a single sat) with 3443 units of ComSatBus ends up a 500+ ton monster? :P
<Qboid> Hypergolic_Skunk: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
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<Pap|SemiAFK> Hypergolic_Skunk: That sounds, very, very wrong
<Pap|SemiAFK> 500kg makes sense, not 500 tons, that's not even possible
<Hypergolic_Skunk> no lol
<Hypergolic_Skunk> I mean the entire rocket :)
<Pap|SemiAFK> No hydrolox?
<Hypergolic_Skunk> not yet. using the LR105 for the second stage, but I can only get about 3.8km/s
<Hypergolic_Skunk> third stage are three AJ10 (mid) which get about 4.1km/s
<Pap|SemiAFK> It doesn't sound crazy out of line, the Molniya-M was 305 tons
<Hypergolic_Skunk> ah. good :))
<Hypergolic_Skunk> I've fallen in love with PEG guidance, btw
<Pap|SemiAFK> So have I! I launched my 5000 km Communications Network using a PEG guided Titan I with Agena and then my Titan I Agena Corona Satellite polar for Film Return Mission
<Pap|SemiAFK> I am going with Titan as the primary launch vehicle in this career
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<Hypergolic_Skunk> I don't know enough about the differences between the different launchers, so I just use what works and what's the cheapest :p
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<Hypergolic_Skunk> every now and then PEG activates the engines on a non-timed launch right after clicking 'Engage Autopilot' though
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<Pap|SemiAFK> Hypergolic_Skunk: I still have not gotten the timed launch to work right. I have stopped even trying
<Hypergolic_Skunk> Pap|SemiAFK: yeah, that I do manually as well. but I'm talking about un-timed launches :)
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<Pap|SemiAFK> can then turn it back on without problems. I have looked and cannot figure out the nuances of the Engine Config
<Pap|SemiAFK> !tell NathanKell* Can you please take a look at the LR91 engine? With the setup of the Verniers, it is not working correctly. Parts of the Vernier config are acting as the main engine, but it has the correct main engine thrust. You cannot shut the main engine down using "X" to kill throttle, and MJ cannot shut it down. However, you can shut down the main engine using the top Shutdown Engine button in the right click menu, but, you
<Qboid> Pap|SemiAFK: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
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<Pap|SemiAFK> !tell NathanKell* It might also be from the actual config of the engine part. The LR91 is found in AIES, FASA and Bluedog DB, but the configs are almost identical for all of them so I couldn't find a working one to test against
<Qboid> Pap|SemiAFK: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
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<Probus> Has anyone tried Kerbal Launch Vehicles with RO?
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<Probus> It doesn't seem to work unfortunately. Maybe we can get a recompile for RO.
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<borntoswim> stay away from imgur, but how about a G force GIF https://imgur.com/gallery/zy413
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<Rokker> stratochief: someone robbed the Armstrong museum :(
<Rokker> well... burgled
<waerloga> :(
<Rokker> waerloga: they stole a solid gold model of the Apollo lander made by Cartier
<Rokker> given to Armstrong after Apollo 11
<Pena> well nice, now that's melted :/
<Rokker> Pena: don't say such a thing
<Pena> well you'd never be able to sell a unique thing like that
<Rokker> Pena: sh
<Rokker> shhhhh
<Rokker> shhhhhhhhhhhh
<waerloga> unless you had a private collector lined up
<waerloga> or it's 'rob something, get them to buy it back from you'
<ProjectThoth> Yeah, it's pretty much gone at this point.
<waerloga> yup
<Rokker> I SAID SHHHH
<borntoswim> they tripled up on jurisdictions to investigate, someone is fooked
<xShadowx> if melted down, wouldnt be much evidence to track
<xShadowx> can melt down gold at home
<borntoswim> thats not the evidence they need. but that would suck, since then there is only punishment left, i'd say castrations for all involved.
<xShadowx> why punish so hard for a reward for a hollywood movie
<borntoswim> I'd castrate all those poeple too
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<xShadowx> what if they didnt have a joystick?
<Bornholio> there are other methods.... plus it strengthens the gene pool double win
<Qboid> Bornholio: Rokker left a message for you in #RO [29.07.2017 04:15:41]: "https://media.defense.gov/2017/Mar/16/2001717773/-1/-1/0/170202-F-XX000-0002.JPG"
<xShadowx> contrary to the teachings from women, they arent angels, and commit crimes too :P
<Bornholio> nice
<xShadowx> that pic looks fake, lighting suggests photoshopped
<xShadowx> unless ofc we have 2 suns :)
<Bornholio> thats the one in the 3000 mile counter orbit to create the holographic moon
<xShadowx> o.O
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<Probus> Still a cool pic
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<SlainteMaith> I had to be 'that guy' on FB. Or felt I had to.
<SlainteMaith> Someone posted: "Maybe i just havent used it for a while, but why has mechjeb suddenly become the most useless thing ever, more specifically in regards to rendezvous autopilot? Got a 12 m/s burn in 2 hours, better max out the thrust to 15gs and burn all my fuel immediatly instead"
<SlainteMaith> I took SEVERE umbrage at 'most useless thing ever.'
<SlainteMaith> 'Michael Davidson Maybe because it's a work in progress and has been for years now? I find it's actually become FAR more useful with the new ascent guidance options. If you find any particular aspect of it useless, you're more than welcome to contribute to the code to fix it."
<SlainteMaith> <Person remaining nameless> "I understand that, and not trying to bash mechjeb, but sometimes it works flawless and sometimes it doesnt. Ive heard of other people talk about it having to do with ship design. It used to work flawlessly but works less and less nowadays, so I guess I am getting worse at ship building? Guess i should be more clear and come right out and say it, ANY ADVICE on THAT front? But thank you for your helpful advice. Ill
<SlainteMaith> community Brb, gonna quickly teach myself a couple years of coding quickly in an afternoon."
<Bornholio> Generally if it does something weird its the PEBKAC that caused it anyways
<SlainteMaith> Me: Yes, I did sort of mean to be a dick about "if you have a complaint, please program it better..." I'm not a coder myself, but if I have a gripe about any particular addon, I try to explain as best I can the issue I'm having, try to repeat it, then post useful information to the addon makers so they can attempt to correct it. I don't say things like, "'x' addon is the most useless thing ever." That said and out of the way: What specificall
<SlainteMaith> Make sure you have a very close relative inclination, and then, if you're looking for low delta V, increase the maximum orbits to rendezvous. If you need to get there quickly, expect to spend a lot of fuel to get there in minimal time. Yes, it -is- possible to launch and rendezvous in one orbit. It takes precision timing--the stuff that Mechjeb is sort of 'iffy' on. It does the best it can for the rockets it's given. The latest MechJeb actual
<SlainteMaith> ges it detects using as proper 'real world' physics as it can do.
<SlainteMaith> Bornholio: Exactly. Garbage in: Garbage out.
<Bornholio> now it did premature burn badly with release version and RO
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<Bornholio> so if its that, guide them to dev #695 or lamonts
<SlainteMaith> Somehow I suspect this person isn't using RO.
<SlainteMaith> But I was too grumpy to ask, if I'm honest.
<Bornholio> a lot of new RO people added since Manley posted that recent video
<SlainteMaith> Haven't seen it myself. But I'll even admit that RO is too much for me.
<Bornholio> can't go back to easy mode
<SlainteMaith> What I won't do ever is say that ANY addon is 'the most useless thing ever." I know a bit about dev, even if I've always been on the bitchy end of it. I know how to write up a bug in such a way that a programmer can fix it. Apart from that, I want my team to succeed.
<SlainteMaith> So I got a little bit annoyed.
<SlainteMaith> As I consider you all 'my team.' *Beams Proudly*
<SlainteMaith> Even if all I do is annoy you all. =)
<SlainteMaith> And yes, I've had mead, so I'm waxing all feelsly. I'll stop.
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<Bornholio> lol yall are meady
<Hypergolic_Skunk> SlainteMaith: if being in this channel has taught me something, it's that 99% of the time the problems I experience in KSP are caused by me in the first place :p
<Bornholio> as we pass around bug reports daily :P
<SlainteMaith> Exactly so. I only tend to get annoyed at KSP lately because I see a fault in my own designs.
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<SlainteMaith> Oh. And RO just makes me realize how stupid I am. Repeatedly. Again and again.
<Hypergolic_Skunk> SlainteMaith: it is a bit of a learning curve, but the feeling of reward makes it all worth it, imho
<SlainteMaith> Mind you, it doesn't mean I love it any less. I like being proven that I'm a moron. Makes me smarter when I learn stuff.
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<Qboid> NathanKell: Pap|SemiAFK left a message for you in #RO [29.07.2017 16:24:26]: "Can you please take a look at the LR91 engine? With the setup of the Verniers, it is not working correctly. Parts of the Vernier config are acting as the main engine, but it has the correct main engine thrust. You cannot shut the main engine down using "X" to kill throttle, and MJ cannot shut it down. However, you can shut down
<NathanKell> o/
<Qboid> the main engine using the top Shutdown Engine button in the right click menu, but, you"
<Qboid> NathanKell: Pap|SemiAFK left a message for you in #RO [29.07.2017 16:33:13]: "It might also be from the actual config of the engine part. The LR91 is found in AIES, FASA and Bluedog DB, but the configs are almost identical for all of them so I couldn't find a working one to test against"
<SlainteMaith> Ev'n, Mr. Kell.
<Hypergolic_Skunk> o/
<NathanKell> Yo
<NathanKell> Pap|SemiAFK: Um, I just flew a Titan last night, worked fine.
<NathanKell> !tell Pap* give me a test craft?
<Qboid> NathanKell: I'll redirect this as soon as they are around.
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<lamont> SlainteMaith: MechJeb is very “kerballed-up”
<lamont> and the issue there is that its often difficult problems that people are trying to tune and tweak for their particular bugs and don’t recognize what they’re doing to other behavior
<lamont> so there’s a lot of patching which pushes and pulls bugs around the codebase
<lamont> but, yeah, bitching is pretty useless
<blowfish> apparently NK has some stuff to tell me
<Qboid> blowfish: NathanKell left a message for you in #RO [29.07.2017 07:34:07]: "for now I'd suggest just disabling engine heat."
<Qboid> blowfish: NathanKell left a message for you in #RO [29.07.2017 07:34:21]: "In fact I think that may be what's screwing with analytic."